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		<title>Comment on An Open Proposal to Canonical by Where&#8217;d I leave that note? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My comment to &#8220;Ubuntu: Where Did the Love Go?&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where&#8217;d I leave that note? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My comment to &#8220;Ubuntu: Where Did the Love Go?&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wow. How sad was I to hear about Ubuntu&#8217;s non-deal with Banshee. Aaron Bockover&#8217;s letter about Ubuntu&#8217;s modification to their plans made me feel better, and maybe the broader [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wow. How sad was I to hear about Ubuntu&#8217;s non-deal with Banshee. Aaron Bockover&#8217;s letter about Ubuntu&#8217;s modification to their plans made me feel better, and maybe the broader [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by Alan</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2011/03/10/opensuse-11-4-and-banshee-amazon-mp3/comment-page-1#comment-346327</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan:
&quot;Given that developers need to live from something, do you think it is a good idea to badmouth Ubuntu for taking $12 (and giving $4 to GNOME), whereas Novell is taking $1289 and giving $16 to GNOME?&quot;

At least compare like with like. OpenSUSE is comparable to Ubuntu whereas suse enterprise edition is comparable to Ubuntu + a support contract. Your comparison is nonsensical when you take this into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan:<br />
&#8220;Given that developers need to live from something, do you think it is a good idea to badmouth Ubuntu for taking $12 (and giving $4 to GNOME), whereas Novell is taking $1289 and giving $16 to GNOME?&#8221;</p>
<p>At least compare like with like. OpenSUSE is comparable to Ubuntu whereas suse enterprise edition is comparable to Ubuntu + a support contract. Your comparison is nonsensical when you take this into account.</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by Captain Obvious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stefan,

What you get from the 1,289 from buying SUSE Enterprise is a *support contract*.   You can use as much SUSE Enterprise, and get zero support for free.

What does a support contract give you?   Things like:

* Critical fixes delivered on a timely basis
* A phone number you can call in for problems
* An email address you can use to cry in case of trouble and get consolation in the form of bug fixes
* Priority support for your reported bugs
* Updates that have been QAed, not one of those &quot;shit, I installed the update and now nothing works&quot;
* Support for binary compatibility for 7 years.  

Of course, if you have plenty of time in your hands, you will just admin your machine, and upgrade to the cutting edge every six months.   Whether software runs or not, that is  an entirely different issue.   At least with Enterprise supported platforms (RHEL and SLES) you can plan that software you deploy today will work for 7 years without forcing you to re-deploy and rebuild or fix your software.

But it is a service.   Do not like it?   Do not buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stefan,</p>
<p>What you get from the 1,289 from buying SUSE Enterprise is a *support contract*.   You can use as much SUSE Enterprise, and get zero support for free.</p>
<p>What does a support contract give you?   Things like:</p>
<p>* Critical fixes delivered on a timely basis<br />
* A phone number you can call in for problems<br />
* An email address you can use to cry in case of trouble and get consolation in the form of bug fixes<br />
* Priority support for your reported bugs<br />
* Updates that have been QAed, not one of those &#8220;shit, I installed the update and now nothing works&#8221;<br />
* Support for binary compatibility for 7 years.  </p>
<p>Of course, if you have plenty of time in your hands, you will just admin your machine, and upgrade to the cutting edge every six months.   Whether software runs or not, that is  an entirely different issue.   At least with Enterprise supported platforms (RHEL and SLES) you can plan that software you deploy today will work for 7 years without forcing you to re-deploy and rebuild or fix your software.</p>
<p>But it is a service.   Do not like it?   Do not buy it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by Awat Saha</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2011/03/10/opensuse-11-4-and-banshee-amazon-mp3/comment-page-1#comment-346285</link>
		<dc:creator>Awat Saha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Banshee supports Amazon at all but not Jamendo or Magnatune, two free software friendly music distributors? Emusic that&#039;s cheaper is disable by default!

Amazon sells mostly (99%) from Music Industry. The same Music Industry that&#039;s busy buying worldwide legislation to criminalize even looking at their products without paying.
Legislation that goes beyond simple copyright infringement, that will remove some of the basics legal guarantees that we in the west have taken for granted.

Legislation that will affect free software development and distribution.

Sell your principles for 30 pieces!

@AG
The brilliant argument: &quot;they could be even worse&quot;. That&#039;s a wonderful reason for accepting a bad deal. I want to use that same philosophy in my own life! Why fight injustice, just accept them, because they could even worse. Hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Banshee supports Amazon at all but not Jamendo or Magnatune, two free software friendly music distributors? Emusic that&#8217;s cheaper is disable by default!</p>
<p>Amazon sells mostly (99%) from Music Industry. The same Music Industry that&#8217;s busy buying worldwide legislation to criminalize even looking at their products without paying.<br />
Legislation that goes beyond simple copyright infringement, that will remove some of the basics legal guarantees that we in the west have taken for granted.</p>
<p>Legislation that will affect free software development and distribution.</p>
<p>Sell your principles for 30 pieces!</p>
<p>@AG<br />
The brilliant argument: &#8220;they could be even worse&#8221;. That&#8217;s a wonderful reason for accepting a bad deal. I want to use that same philosophy in my own life! Why fight injustice, just accept them, because they could even worse. Hilarious!</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by bombo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bombo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YAY! 
.NET founding the GNOME Foundation! quite an irony, ain&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAY!<br />
.NET founding the GNOME Foundation! quite an irony, ain&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Ubuntu on my servers and laptops since 4 years.  To get the cheapest  SUSE Linux Enterprise Server subscription would have cost me /my company $1289. 
I have bought in that time music for about $160, Amazon referral gives therefore $16. 

Given that developers need to live from something, do you think it is a good idea to badmouth Ubuntu for taking $12 (and giving $4 to GNOME), whereas Novell is taking $1289 and giving $16 to GNOME?

I understand that there is some rivalry between the projects, but I don&#039;t understand why SUSE developers seem to assume that Ubuntu developers should work for free. 

Blog posts like your put me off Suse and it&#039;s products, which is sad since I like Free-Software and I&#039;m happy about every company that pays developers to work on those great projects.


(and just becauseI can already guess what you might say to this: yes: I know OpenSuse is free, no: that changes nothing. What is important how the payed developers get paid! And the business model of Novel and Canonical differ. That&#039;s the point...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Ubuntu on my servers and laptops since 4 years.  To get the cheapest  SUSE Linux Enterprise Server subscription would have cost me /my company $1289.<br />
I have bought in that time music for about $160, Amazon referral gives therefore $16. </p>
<p>Given that developers need to live from something, do you think it is a good idea to badmouth Ubuntu for taking $12 (and giving $4 to GNOME), whereas Novell is taking $1289 and giving $16 to GNOME?</p>
<p>I understand that there is some rivalry between the projects, but I don&#8217;t understand why SUSE developers seem to assume that Ubuntu developers should work for free. </p>
<p>Blog posts like your put me off Suse and it&#8217;s products, which is sad since I like Free-Software and I&#8217;m happy about every company that pays developers to work on those great projects.</p>
<p>(and just becauseI can already guess what you might say to this: yes: I know OpenSuse is free, no: that changes nothing. What is important how the payed developers get paid! And the business model of Novel and Canonical differ. That&#8217;s the point&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by hb</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2011/03/10/opensuse-11-4-and-banshee-amazon-mp3/comment-page-1#comment-346264</link>
		<dc:creator>hb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ag: I fail to see your point. I don&#039;t see anybody claiming that the license situation you describe is different, so you&#039;re basically using a strawman argument. I also don&#039;t see madness in this blog post, or the previous one.

However, I do think the users have the right to know whom they donate to, and which project they support. Some people might also prefer to support Canonical instead of the GNOME foundation.

It&#039;s also a strange argument that once you choose an open source license, you cannot comment anymore on how people are using your code. Using a free license and not putting narrow restrictions on your users, distributors, and fellow coders does neither mean that you have to approve everything they do, nor does it mean that you have to keep your mouth shut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ag: I fail to see your point. I don&#8217;t see anybody claiming that the license situation you describe is different, so you&#8217;re basically using a strawman argument. I also don&#8217;t see madness in this blog post, or the previous one.</p>
<p>However, I do think the users have the right to know whom they donate to, and which project they support. Some people might also prefer to support Canonical instead of the GNOME foundation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a strange argument that once you choose an open source license, you cannot comment anymore on how people are using your code. Using a free license and not putting narrow restrictions on your users, distributors, and fellow coders does neither mean that you have to approve everything they do, nor does it mean that you have to keep your mouth shut.</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by sam</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2011/03/10/opensuse-11-4-and-banshee-amazon-mp3/comment-page-1#comment-346263</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its blog post like this that kills my interest in a distro as a user. 

I have been reading a lot about the latest OpenSUSE and it sounds nice, but lots of blog post like the one above don’t make me even want to try it out, I will rather find another distro with positive people behind it then this whining community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its blog post like this that kills my interest in a distro as a user. </p>
<p>I have been reading a lot about the latest OpenSUSE and it sounds nice, but lots of blog post like the one above don’t make me even want to try it out, I will rather find another distro with positive people behind it then this whining community.</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by eet</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2011/03/10/opensuse-11-4-and-banshee-amazon-mp3/comment-page-1#comment-346253</link>
		<dc:creator>eet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ag: This is... sad. Just sad. We should thank Mr. Mark Shuttleworth that he doesn&#039;t take all the money and run, because he could? We should be thankful that he leaves a small portion of the cake to the people that provide the software that his distribution consists of?

Oh, yay for Mark; such a good person. He doesn&#039;t take it all, he leaves some for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ag: This is&#8230; sad. Just sad. We should thank Mr. Mark Shuttleworth that he doesn&#8217;t take all the money and run, because he could? We should be thankful that he leaves a small portion of the cake to the people that provide the software that his distribution consists of?</p>
<p>Oh, yay for Mark; such a good person. He doesn&#8217;t take it all, he leaves some for us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on openSUSE 11.4 and Banshee: Amazon MP3 by ethana2</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2011/03/10/opensuse-11-4-and-banshee-amazon-mp3/comment-page-1#comment-346209</link>
		<dc:creator>ethana2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather send my &quot;affiliate revenue&quot; to *me*, and then donate as I see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather send my &#8220;affiliate revenue&#8221; to *me*, and then donate as I see fit.</p>
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