Comments on: Introducing PodSleuth http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/ Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:30:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Aaron Bockover » Banshee 0.13.2 … at last! http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-125868 Aaron Bockover » Banshee 0.13.2 … at last! Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:08:32 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-125868 [...] On the iPod side of things, there have been some pretty heavy changes since the last release. We now require PodSleuth and the latest ipod-sharp. This is the first release that drops libipoddevice, the hardware layer that was obsoleted by PodSleuth. [...] [...] On the iPod side of things, there have been some pretty heavy changes since the last release. We now require PodSleuth and the latest ipod-sharp. This is the first release that drops libipoddevice, the hardware layer that was obsoleted by PodSleuth. [...]

]]> By: John Flower http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-108321 John Flower Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:04:28 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-108321 Hurrah for ipod support! I converted a blista user to linux becuase their ipod shuffle was mounting and unmounting in quick succession and therefore they could not transfer songs to it. I put in a live linux cd andshowed them that their shuffle would stay mounted. They decided that they preferred an OS that supported their shuffle and switched to linux. I almost made another convert who had bought a second, newer, ipod. But failed because amarok using libipoddevice couldn't update a 6g ipod's database :(. Keep up the good work. I am looking forward to seeing amarok using podsleuth. Hurrah for ipod support!

I converted a blista user to linux becuase their ipod shuffle was mounting and unmounting in quick succession and therefore they could not transfer songs to it. I put in a live linux cd andshowed them that their shuffle would stay mounted. They decided that they preferred an OS that supported their shuffle and switched to linux.

I almost made another convert who had bought a second, newer, ipod. But failed because amarok using libipoddevice couldn’t update a 6g ipod’s database :(.

Keep up the good work. I am looking forward to seeing amarok using podsleuth.

]]> By: joe shaw / http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-97578 joe shaw / Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:08:01 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-97578 [...] Aaron’s post about PodSleuth, there was this comment by Søren Hauberg: I think you (and many others) are missing one of the main mono problems. From [...] [...] Aaron’s post about PodSleuth, there was this comment by Søren Hauberg: I think you (and many others) are missing one of the main mono problems. From [...]

]]> By: Ian McKellar http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-94273 Ian McKellar Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:33:12 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-94273 That's awesome! I can't wait to have a play with this. Ian That’s awesome! I can’t wait to have a play with this.

Ian

]]> By: James Henstridge http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-94087 James Henstridge Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:41:24 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-94087 anon: try turning that question around: if you are writing an program that will run as root, why _wouldn't_ you choose a language with automatic memory management and array bounds checking? Also note the nature of this program: when an iPod is plugged in, the program gets run by HAL. It inspects the device, annotates the device info in HAL and exits. There is no long-running daemon process sitting round eating your memory. Assuming you have the resources available to run such a transient program, and it completes its job in a reasonable amount of time, the language choice does not seem to be that big a deal. anon: try turning that question around: if you are writing an program that will run as root, why _wouldn’t_ you choose a language with automatic memory management and array bounds checking?

Also note the nature of this program: when an iPod is plugged in, the program gets run by HAL. It inspects the device, annotates the device info in HAL and exits. There is no long-running daemon process sitting round eating your memory.

Assuming you have the resources available to run such a transient program, and it completes its job in a reasonable amount of time, the language choice does not seem to be that big a deal.

]]> By: kevin http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-94041 kevin Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:39:05 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-94041 Banshee is an awesome program and frankly I don't care which language its written in because its so good. Are we going to see iPhone support? What ever happened to the list view changes? Banshee is an awesome program and frankly I don’t care which language its written in because its so good. Are we going to see iPhone support? What ever happened to the list view changes?

]]> By: anon http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-93938 anon Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:48:30 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-93938 WRT disk space: It might be possible to package mono in such a small package, but is it possible to get it that way in the popular distros? Disk space is not the main concern, the RAM is, it won't be 8MB in ram, more likely 10x that. This thing runs as root, so you'd have mono running as root. Not a great idea. wc -l `find src -name \*.cs` says 2790 lines. Having the mono overhead for that much code does not seem so good. WRT disk space: It might be possible to package mono in such a small package, but is it possible to get it that way in the popular distros?

Disk space is not the main concern, the RAM is, it won’t be 8MB in ram, more likely 10x that.

This thing runs as root, so you’d have mono running as root. Not a great idea.

wc -l `find src -name \*.cs` says 2790 lines. Having the mono overhead for that much code does not seem so good.

]]> By: Ilya http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-93824 Ilya Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:33:16 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-93824 Sounds very positive. Is it easy to implement things like those on Mono? Did you even have to touch native code to talk to HAL? Sounds very positive. Is it easy to implement things like those on Mono? Did you even have to touch native code to talk to HAL?

]]> By: jospoortvliet http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-93781 jospoortvliet Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:27:25 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-93781 @Miguel: 8meg is rather doable, yes. I would not hate it if that would be needed for a mono application. But it's way too much for a small library needed by Amarok... Most of these libs don't need any other crap besides the standard C libs. Sometimes glibc, that's doable. But I'm already annoyed by the Ubuntu version of libgpod, which depends on GTK2+ - pretty silly, it's the only reason I have it installed on my laptop. I don't care about gtk nor mono libs on my main system, dualcore + 3gb ram - it can handle some redundant libraries. But my 6 year old laptop can't, and I try to get rid of everything I don't really need. So I would vote against using this library because it needs mono, simple as that. @Miguel: 8meg is rather doable, yes. I would not hate it if that would be needed for a mono application. But it’s way too much for a small library needed by Amarok… Most of these libs don’t need any other crap besides the standard C libs. Sometimes glibc, that’s doable. But I’m already annoyed by the Ubuntu version of libgpod, which depends on GTK2+ – pretty silly, it’s the only reason I have it installed on my laptop. I don’t care about gtk nor mono libs on my main system, dualcore + 3gb ram – it can handle some redundant libraries. But my 6 year old laptop can’t, and I try to get rid of everything I don’t really need. So I would vote against using this library because it needs mono, simple as that.

]]> By: Miguel de Icaza http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/comment-page-1/#comment-93640 Miguel de Icaza Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:42:14 +0000 http://abock.org/2007/10/20/introducing-podsleuth/#comment-93640 Anonymous and Jonas, you guys did not read what I said, a small installation takes about 8 megs. In fact, I just found a blog post where I summarized the debian package for Mono for the requirements from PodSleuth, it is 7.5 megs: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jul-08-2.html That is the on-disk usage, the download is 2.5 megs or so. Miguel. Anonymous and Jonas, you guys did not read what I said, a small installation takes about 8 megs.

In fact, I just found a blog post where I summarized the debian package for Mono for the requirements from PodSleuth, it is 7.5 megs:

http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jul-08-2.html

That is the on-disk usage, the download is 2.5 megs or so.

Miguel.

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