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		<title>By: J.Cody Lodrige</title>
		<link>http://abock.org/2007/04/18/are-you-serious-they-call-that-an-operating-system/comment-page-1/#comment-53630</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Cody Lodrige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats so sad is that when I went to the bookstore today, every mainstream computer magazine had Vista on its cover..sigh..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats so sad is that when I went to the bookstore today, every mainstream computer magazine had Vista on its cover..sigh..</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were, me I wouldn&#039;t bother spending the time on doing a Windows port, but would rather focus on functionality of Banshee for Linux users.

Windows already has a quite good Media Player at this point, and it&#039;s a sure bet most Windows users won&#039;t seek out Banshee to use over the already installed (and much better) built in Windows Media Player 11.

If anything, I&#039;d like to see some WMP11-esque functionality in Banshee, such as the more visual &quot;Album Cover&quot; views with the stacking and such, ability to select by  genre, artist, etc... without having to create &quot;smart playlists&quot; and some cool visualizations would be nice to have.

Not knocking Banshee at all, it&#039;s a fine start but miles away from WMP11. I&#039;d hold off a port until it were somewhat closer in feature-sets... (or really, not do it at all for the aforementioned reason)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were, me I wouldn&#8217;t bother spending the time on doing a Windows port, but would rather focus on functionality of Banshee for Linux users.</p>
<p>Windows already has a quite good Media Player at this point, and it&#8217;s a sure bet most Windows users won&#8217;t seek out Banshee to use over the already installed (and much better) built in Windows Media Player 11.</p>
<p>If anything, I&#8217;d like to see some WMP11-esque functionality in Banshee, such as the more visual &#8220;Album Cover&#8221; views with the stacking and such, ability to select by  genre, artist, etc&#8230; without having to create &#8220;smart playlists&#8221; and some cool visualizations would be nice to have.</p>
<p>Not knocking Banshee at all, it&#8217;s a fine start but miles away from WMP11. I&#8217;d hold off a port until it were somewhat closer in feature-sets&#8230; (or really, not do it at all for the aforementioned reason)</p>
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		<title>By: Kinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah i see you have finally met Billy. See according to myth Billy is Steve Balmer&#039;s illegitimate second cousin and he felt sorry for the poor hick and decided to give him a job at $MS. Billy works out of the basement and he is responsible for writing error and information messages throughout $MS OS&#039;es.
See the theory is that in order for Billy to keep his job, Balmer issued a &quot;bug per 100 lines&quot; order. Now as you can clearly see ... Billy seems to be a retard *runZ the hell away*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah i see you have finally met Billy. See according to myth Billy is Steve Balmer&#8217;s illegitimate second cousin and he felt sorry for the poor hick and decided to give him a job at $MS. Billy works out of the basement and he is responsible for writing error and information messages throughout $MS OS&#8217;es.<br />
See the theory is that in order for Billy to keep his job, Balmer issued a &#8220;bug per 100 lines&#8221; order. Now as you can clearly see &#8230; Billy seems to be a retard *runZ the hell away*</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat funny to see GNU/Linux/GNOME UI versus Windows Vista UI debates. This has been the mantra of the Mac folk for a long time. Highlights also the most basic OS assumption as well: There are two types of OS in this world, Windows and everyone else. With Linux, BSD and Mac OS X, this has never been more apparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat funny to see GNU/Linux/GNOME UI versus Windows Vista UI debates. This has been the mantra of the Mac folk for a long time. Highlights also the most basic OS assumption as well: There are two types of OS in this world, Windows and everyone else. With Linux, BSD and Mac OS X, this has never been more apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Horkan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Horkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@erik

&gt; MSI packages has been the 2nd largest blocker for Firefox adoption 

yet strangely there has been enough enthusiasm to add it and not much in the way of third party developers offering to make it happen by action or sponsorship

I&#039;m waiting for bucking fig package with GTK and a whole load of GTK (and maybe even Gnome) apps before I even suggest anyone invest their time in an MSI package.  It might be motivation to provide an MSI for the purpose bundling as much Freedom Software as possible.  
Bundling works, and has undeniably been a huge factor in the success of Microsoft, and if anyone is dedicated enough to do that work of MSI packaging I&#039;d strongly encourage them to use their leverage to promote more than single application and go the whole hog to create a Ximian like meta distribution of applications for Windows.  Blue skies dreamin&#039;?  Probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@erik</p>
<p>&gt; MSI packages has been the 2nd largest blocker for Firefox adoption </p>
<p>yet strangely there has been enough enthusiasm to add it and not much in the way of third party developers offering to make it happen by action or sponsorship</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting for bucking fig package with GTK and a whole load of GTK (and maybe even Gnome) apps before I even suggest anyone invest their time in an MSI package.  It might be motivation to provide an MSI for the purpose bundling as much Freedom Software as possible.<br />
Bundling works, and has undeniably been a huge factor in the success of Microsoft, and if anyone is dedicated enough to do that work of MSI packaging I&#8217;d strongly encourage them to use their leverage to promote more than single application and go the whole hog to create a Ximian like meta distribution of applications for Windows.  Blue skies dreamin&#8217;?  Probably.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah, I had the exact same reaction when I tried out Vista on our VMware server recently.

I didn&#039;t install too much and so generally only saw the UAC dialogs where it was relatively sane, but the thing that annoyed me the most was how much everything was fragmented compared to XP.

For example: in XP, you can go to the &quot;Display&quot; control panel where you have five tabs and can easily change everything you need.  Vista has decided to take each of the tabs in that window and place them under their own separate control panels.  They didn&#039;t even remove the tabs, so you have five different windows, but with one tab in them each. It looks ridiculous.

For some reason, Vista also comes by default with this odd sidebar thing on the desktop which shows a clock (in case you missed the one in the system tray) and a distracting rotating slideshow of stock photos. The worrying thing is just how many regular computer users never ever touch the default Windows settings and will end up suffering this sort of extraneous junk.

Plus it ran unbelievably slow on a normally unbelievably fast VMware server, though you could well put that down to Vista virtualisation not being fully supported quite yet..

As for installers, I can happily recommend NSIS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah, I had the exact same reaction when I tried out Vista on our VMware server recently.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t install too much and so generally only saw the UAC dialogs where it was relatively sane, but the thing that annoyed me the most was how much everything was fragmented compared to XP.</p>
<p>For example: in XP, you can go to the &#8220;Display&#8221; control panel where you have five tabs and can easily change everything you need.  Vista has decided to take each of the tabs in that window and place them under their own separate control panels.  They didn&#8217;t even remove the tabs, so you have five different windows, but with one tab in them each. It looks ridiculous.</p>
<p>For some reason, Vista also comes by default with this odd sidebar thing on the desktop which shows a clock (in case you missed the one in the system tray) and a distracting rotating slideshow of stock photos. The worrying thing is just how many regular computer users never ever touch the default Windows settings and will end up suffering this sort of extraneous junk.</p>
<p>Plus it ran unbelievably slow on a normally unbelievably fast VMware server, though you could well put that down to Vista virtualisation not being fully supported quite yet..</p>
<p>As for installers, I can happily recommend NSIS.</p>
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		<title>By: Winfried Maus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winfried Maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Vista police&quot; is actually called &quot;User Account Control/UAC&quot; and can be turned off in the Control Panel. Once youÂ´ve done this, Vista loses most of its &quot;new&quot; security features, but becomes much more usable.

Maybe you are right about the advantages of Gnome, Linux and Free Software in general. But letÂ´s face facts: People are not interested in operating systems and desktops. They are interested in applications. ThatÂ´s what they need to get their job done, thatÂ´s what they use to bring their imagination to life. 

IÂ´m talking about applications like Final Cut Studio, Aperture, Photoshop, Mellel, Montage, Journler, Logic and Reason. Professional creativity apps for the Mac, actually, but there are counterparts available for Windows. But Linux just cannot compete here.

You see, that is my biggest issue with Linux: IÂ´ve been watching the progress of Linux since the late nineties, and every year since then IÂ´ve played with two or three current distributions. I installed them, tried to get all my hardware running, looked at the applications - and erased Linux again from my hard disk. Why? Whenever I want to actually do something with it, I discover that there&#039;s no software for me. And I guess IÂ´m not the only one out there with that feeling. For OS X and Windows I find the software that I need. But maybe I also &quot;live in a box of delusion&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Vista police&#8221; is actually called &#8220;User Account Control/UAC&#8221; and can be turned off in the Control Panel. Once youÂ´ve done this, Vista loses most of its &#8220;new&#8221; security features, but becomes much more usable.</p>
<p>Maybe you are right about the advantages of Gnome, Linux and Free Software in general. But letÂ´s face facts: People are not interested in operating systems and desktops. They are interested in applications. ThatÂ´s what they need to get their job done, thatÂ´s what they use to bring their imagination to life. </p>
<p>IÂ´m talking about applications like Final Cut Studio, Aperture, Photoshop, Mellel, Montage, Journler, Logic and Reason. Professional creativity apps for the Mac, actually, but there are counterparts available for Windows. But Linux just cannot compete here.</p>
<p>You see, that is my biggest issue with Linux: IÂ´ve been watching the progress of Linux since the late nineties, and every year since then IÂ´ve played with two or three current distributions. I installed them, tried to get all my hardware running, looked at the applications &#8211; and erased Linux again from my hard disk. Why? Whenever I want to actually do something with it, I discover that there&#8217;s no software for me. And I guess IÂ´m not the only one out there with that feeling. For OS X and Windows I find the software that I need. But maybe I also &#8220;live in a box of delusion&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alan:
As it is only Banshee, those installers are just fine. If you want anyone in a larger environment to deploy the software it has got to be MSI package. There really is no other chance besides MSI since the standard management tools (AD SMS) work with MSI. The lack of non-3rdparty MSI packages has been the 2nd largest blocker for Firefox adoption in any larger environments. Just keep that in mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan:<br />
As it is only Banshee, those installers are just fine. If you want anyone in a larger environment to deploy the software it has got to be MSI package. There really is no other chance besides MSI since the standard management tools (AD SMS) work with MSI. The lack of non-3rdparty MSI packages has been the 2nd largest blocker for Firefox adoption in any larger environments. Just keep that in mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Horkan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Horkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to getting Banshee bundled up in a nice installer you basically have two choices, NSIS or Inno Setup.  I&#039;ve used NSIS and although the syntax is fairly ugly the examples are good (even before Abiword took my work and made it better and all integrated with their build system).  Another planet gnome blog was discussing Inno Setup and how his prior experience with Pascal made it particularly interesting for him to use.  Suffice to say there is a whole lot of existing knowledge out there and your student would do well to use that part of his project in particular as an opportunity to get help from the community and reuse as much as possible, to really learn the methods of open development, rather than doing things from first principles without outside help as students all too often mistakenly believe they have to - just credit all your sources, collaboration is good! 

As for your review of Vista I can only do my best impression of Nelson Muntz and say &quot;Ha ha!&quot;.  You certainly aren&#039;t the first to point and laugh at those Continue Cancel dialogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to getting Banshee bundled up in a nice installer you basically have two choices, NSIS or Inno Setup.  I&#8217;ve used NSIS and although the syntax is fairly ugly the examples are good (even before Abiword took my work and made it better and all integrated with their build system).  Another planet gnome blog was discussing Inno Setup and how his prior experience with Pascal made it particularly interesting for him to use.  Suffice to say there is a whole lot of existing knowledge out there and your student would do well to use that part of his project in particular as an opportunity to get help from the community and reuse as much as possible, to really learn the methods of open development, rather than doing things from first principles without outside help as students all too often mistakenly believe they have to &#8211; just credit all your sources, collaboration is good! </p>
<p>As for your review of Vista I can only do my best impression of Nelson Muntz and say &#8220;Ha ha!&#8221;.  You certainly aren&#8217;t the first to point and laugh at those Continue Cancel dialogs.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, check the link I gave.. They have &quot;Top Guidelines Violations&quot; page, which uses actual Windows dialogs and windows as examples :-D Hilarious in a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, check the link I gave.. They have &#8220;Top Guidelines Violations&#8221; page, which uses actual Windows dialogs and windows as examples <img src='http://abock.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/face-grin.png' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> Hilarious in a way.</p>
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